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Keir Mundy
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Keir Mundy

"Hi beatlab! I'm working on a new track called "Come Together" and I want to see what you can do with it.

I've uploaded the vocals. Now I need you to fill in a beat and post it on this page. Click the "remix" button below to get started. The original key is C minor. Come Together Remix!

Rearrange the vocals. Upload your own sounds. Do whatever you want with it. I'm going to come by beatlab on August 26th and give feedback to the highest rated remixes. I can't wait to hear what you guys come up with.

Feel free to work together. Beatlab is all about sharing and collaborating. However, if you are using a sound or a beat that someone else has made, make sure that you have the rights to do so and that you give that person credit.

Update I'll be online August 26 at 11am pacific time and 2pm eastern time to give my feedback!"--Paul Oakenfold

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MY THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS ON THE EVENT. Authored by Keir Mundy.

THE FACTS.

  1. Paul Oakenfold was late. 5PM Sunday, EASTERN STANDARD TIME. He was in Ibiza, Spain. I know a lot of people waited. I didn't. I went and ran some errands.
  2. He didn't give us any beats, sounds, or any tempo directives. We got vocals. On the day, Paul Oakenfold wanted MORE uptempo songs.
    3a. He did come online and critiqued the highest voted members. But no chat or social repartee happened. 3b. But the most fucked up thing was...which wasn't related to Paul Oakenfold...it was related to a mystery person who devoted everyone's Paul Oakenfold tracks during the contest. My tracks got devoted badly by this prankster.

My thoughts and feelings. I didn't like this contest at all. I didn't like the fact that my tracks were devoted. I didn't like that he wasn't on-time. If we inconvenienced him for being in Ibiza, Spain...he could've postponed the session to next Sunday or another day that he was free. If he wanted more up-tempo tracks...he could've told everyone there on the day he wanted more uptempo tracks and he could've came back at a time when he wasn't busy to comment.

I did a bunch of short demos. (After all, I am not getting paid to do an entire song.) I did research his tune to figure out how to approach "Come Together". I figured out the hook where the vocals came from. (I found the tune on YouTube.)

I didn't use any of his production in my demos. I recorded my sounds. Pianos. Drums. Drum breaks. I even rerecorded his vocal part as a part of a drum loop I used...and a vocal part was spliced individually so I could have more control with it if I wanted to use it in a slower version. I kept about three demos at 140 BPM which was the original tempo had on Paul Oakenfold's BEATLAB vocal demo of "Come Together". I did do a couple of demos at 120 BPM. I20 BPM isn't a stroll. Those were the slowest. I rarely use 240 BPM. Who ever danced to something that fast? I don't do speed rave ish anyway. I don't even drink RED BULL.

After all that happened, no comments were done on my tracks. I did have three tracks in C minor. And to showcase my talent further...I had some tracks they were in double keys which made the track playable in different keys.

I took all my tracks off after that contest on Sunday. I was really disappointed in the whole event. Paul Oakenfold never should've bothered with that contest. He was pretty distant like he didn't want to be here at all. That was my thoughts and feelings on the matter.

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Hey Keir,

I'm sorry you didn't have a good experience. You are one of the most experienced and important members of the BL community, and your contributions are always valued. So I apologize if the contest was a let down.

This contest was a new thing for beatlab and I definitely learned a lot in the process. Hopefully, the next time we do this it will be better. Here are a few things I learned:

1) The voting system isn't perfect. The problem with the "facebook like" system is that people with a lot of friends can get bad tracks voted up the leaderboard. With the new voting sytem, I wanted there to be a way to "downvote" these tracks. Unfortunately, I underestimated how much people would downvote other tracks. Midway through the contest, I changed the algorithm so that downvotes were worth half of upvotes. This helped a bit. Other sites have other ways of controlling this. For example, news.ycombinator.com only allows users with a certain "karma" threshold to do downvotes. I may adopt something like this next time.

2) Ibiza, Spain is not the best place to hold the contest. The internet connection is unreliable and the craziness there makes it hard to schedule events. Unfortunately, that Sunday in Ibiza was the only day we could schedule it. In the future, I'll try to have these somewhere in the US, preferably with me present.

3) We should have framed the contest better. I'm sure if "upbeat tracks" was given as a guideline, the beatlab community would have produced some great upbeat stuff.

On of my dreams for beatlab is to allow well know artists to interact and collaborate with musicians all over the world. This was a first step in that direction, but beatlab still has a way to go. I'm grateful to Paul for seeing the vision and giving it a shot.

Keir Mundy
Keir Mundy

Jon

I really appreciated that you wrote back. I am thankful for BEATLAB, my fellow BEATLABBERS and for you helping me out on here.

I will contribute more musical ideas in the future but I won't contribute to anymore contests with track voting.

I also think that if an outside, well-known artist wants to create a BEATLAB contest. They should do five BEATLAB matrix tunes first. (And they don't have to be full-on tunes either.) Showing that they can BEATLAB. (I also think that they should contribute some sounds to the BEATLAB sound library as well.)

(Paul Oakenfold didn't BEATLAB at all...other than putting up vocal bits for his tune.)

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